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Dougie’s Friday mailbag (Crawford-Spence, bridgerweight, gold standard performances of the 2000s)

Dougie’s Friday mailbag (Crawford-Spence, bridgerweight, best performances of the 2000s)

Will this dream welterweight showdown ever occur? Who wins if it does?
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by means of Doug Fischer

the way to MAKE CRAWFORD-SPENCE

Now that Bud has defeated an additional 10-1 underdog, it’s time to talk about the opportunity of Crawford-Spence once again. while it’s always a drawback to make these promotional crossover fights, I believe like there is a real probability here. right Rank and PBC might use this to delivery a each year move-promotion event. yearly, suitable Rank and PBC would put together a complete card of cross-promoting championship fights after which they might can charge $100 for the PPV.

The 2021 card can be Crawford-Spence, Gervonta Davis-Berchelt, Inoue-Nery, and Navarette-Gary Russell. in case you may get 1 million buys, that could be ~$50 million to distribute, no longer together with gate receipts (hoping that will be a thing in 2021). might be that wouldn’t be satisfactory funds to get Davis-Berchelt on the cardboard, however it may still be enough to make the other three fights. So, is some thing like this feasible? And if so, could these guys work collectively and turn it right into a yearly event? – Ryan

Is a cross-platform/co-promotional PPV adventure like that viable? yes. Would the community and boxing powerbrokers work together to make it ensue? Hell no.

The good individuals of the PBC be aware of that Terence Crawford and Bob Arum aren’t on respectable terms (just like everyone else in boxing) and will likely part techniques earlier than the three-division titleholder’s contract expires next October. So, why work with appropriate Rank and ESPN to make the large Spence-Crawford showdown when Bud will quickly be a free agent? A rational answer to it is so the battle may also be made sooner in preference to later and since the move-platform advertising will aid make it a bigger, greater successful adventure. however, you gotta share profits and manage in case you do co-promotions, and while sharing is caring, mom f__kers in boxing don’t care about s__t! LOL.

I envision the PBC playing the lengthy game, pitting the Spence-Garcia winner vs. Keith Thurman or Shawn Porter and the winner of that fight would tackle Crawford once the Nebraskan is available to come back to FOX PPV. (And if that happens, confidently boxing may be treated to round robin of the PBC welterweight mainstays, Crawford and perhaps Pacquiao for one or two fights.)

The 2021 card could be Crawford-Spence, Gervonta Davis-Berchelt, Inoue-Nery, and Navarette-Gary Russell. rattling! Now that’s a lineup that would make Don King proud! I’d gladly pay for it.

in case you might get 1 million buys, that might be ~$50 million to distribute, now not including gate receipts (hoping that might be a issue in 2021). i’m wondering if it would garner 1 million buys within the latest U.S. least expensive climate. Crawford and Spence are at the appropriate of the boxing world, however they’re not exactly family unit names amongst customary sports fanatics.

perhaps that wouldn’t be ample cash to get Davis-Berchelt on the cardboard, but it surely may still be enough to make the different 3 fights. Yeah, I get the impact that Mayweather Promotions views Tank as a PPV headliner, not a part of a supporting solid (until Floyd is the leading event). I think Inoue-Nery could be made (at 118 or 122) and that’s an excellent matchup, however I doubt Russell has any interest in unifying 126-pound belts vs. Navarette. He’s attempting to find most important paydays and a lot greater names (in heavier weight classes) at this stage of his career.

BRIDGERWEIGHT

hiya Dougie,

I’ve been studying your Mailbag for a very long time and it’s super. So, the WBC desires to create the “bridger” class between cruiserweight at 200 and heavyweight at unlimited. I’ve often concept about how the Olympics is 220 pounds for super heavyweight and 200 for a heavyweight. I’ve also notion about how a lot cash these belt corporations make and how a great deal they wish to promote whatever the latest belt is. I feel their argument turned into that Wilder misplaced to Fury because Fury turned into forty kilos heavier. The issue with that considering is that Wilder knocked out very nearly everyone and even knocked down Fury and nearly out of their first battle and he was bridgerweight at 224 or much less. probably in the future if guys get even greater than they are actually we are able to need a bridger type. but presently I consider Wilder would kill these guys.

also, what do you consider in regards to the upcoming conflict in England November 28th, Daniel Dubois vs Joe Joyce, the latter being the 2016 boxing super heavyweight Olympic silver medalist and Dubois being the future of heavyweight boxing it appears?

Thanks for the mail bag twice every week. God Bless. – David Weaver

You’re most welcome, David.

Dubois-Joyce is a heavyweight showdown Dougie is hyped for. picture courtesy of Queensberry Promotions

Is Dubois “the longer term” of the heavyweight division? He’s got the talent and the seem to be of a possible world-beater, but most effective time will tell for certain. This showdown with Joyce should still reply a lot of questions on his abilities, stamina, chin and resourcefulness. I’m in reality looking forward to it. Dubois is the quicker, extra fluid athlete, but Joyce, who had the more huge novice background, is extra mature and will be physically greater.

So, the WBC wants to create the “bridger” class between cruiserweight at 200 and heavyweight at unlimited. Yup, and don’t are attempting to speak them out of it.

I’ve often concept about how the Olympics is 220 kilos for super heavyweight and 200 for a heavyweight. truly, within the newbie ranks heavyweight is between 179-201; super heavyweight is any individual more than 201 kilos and it’s unlimited. (at the least, that’s the manner it was once.)

I’ve additionally notion about how lots cash these belt agencies make and how much they need to promote some thing the latest belt is. hiya, don’t knock the hustle. If the combatants, managers and/or promoters need to pay the sanctioning expenses, and if the networks embody and promote the a considerable number of titles, how can we inform the companies no longer to retain doing what they’ve been doing for many years?

I believe their argument turned into that Wilder misplaced to Fury as a result of Fury changed into 40 pounds heavier. I’m sure size changed into an element, however so changed into Fury’s ring IQ/generalship and head video games (which seem to have actually achieved a host on negative Deontay).

Lennox Lewis weighed-in 25 pounds heavier than Evander Holyfield for his or her rematch, but the smaller heavyweight nevertheless took it to him for 12 rounds. (photo with the aid of MIKE NELSON/AFP by the use of Getty photos)

The problem with that thinking is that Wilder knocked out pretty much each person and even knocked down Fury and very nearly out in their first combat and he was bridgerweight at 224 or less. Wilder’s an attractive puncher and vigour is a pretty good equalizer in the ring. Mike Tyson annihilated or dominated opponents that weighed 10-30 pounds greater than he did. Of course, Tyson had more than pace and vigor. Iron Mike had unwell approach. My factor is that a distinct talent (or special competitor like Evander Holyfield) is commonly going to conquer dimension risks within the ring.  

probably sooner or later if guys get even greater than they are now we will want a bridger classification. but at this time I consider Wilder would kill these guys. sure, except the “bridgerweight” is a different ability/competitor like Usyk. Wilder vs. Usyk would be a fascinating matchup, but neither would need to combat for a bridgerweight belt.

CRAWFORD mythical MATCHUPS

Dougie,

Been a fan considering the fact that the Maxboxing days (nonetheless have the t-shirt). After staring at Bud lately, I actually have two legendary matchups for you:

  1. Kosta Tszyu (vs Zab edition) vs unified Bud at one hundred forty.
  2. Pernell Whitaker (vs DLH edition) vs up to date day Bud at 147.

respect your time and suggestions. – Hugo

King Kostya through shut, maybe majority choice in very respectable healthy that begins tactically however ends in a crowd-desirable fight.

Crawford with the aid of shut unanimous decision over the 1997 version of Pea, who’s nevertheless sweet however no longer sharp sufficient steer clear of or intimidate a fellow ring chameleon who is at his height.  

WHAT IF TYSON WASN’T part of HBO’S tournament?

hello Dougie,

With Mike Tyson nevertheless featuring in headlines and boxing debates, right here’s a query for you.

How do you think the HBO heavyweight unification match of 86/87 would’ve performed out if Tyson hadn’t been round?

I’m no longer bound who the desirable contender for the WBC was after Pinklon Thomas lost to Berbick so I’m going to bet he’d have gotten a rematch? surely, this is a difficult one to discover if not and has an influence on the typical match.

If Thomas landed a rematch, then I’d pick him to get revenge against Berbick, then side Bonecrusher Smith, and then lose a really shut one to Tony Tucker, making Tucker the unified champ. Would love to hear your take on this. – Paul

Thomas likely would have landed the rematch with Berbick if there was no Mike Tyson to get that shot on the WBC title instantly after Berbick scored the upset. The unanimous resolution that Thomas lost was a close one (a hundred and fifteen-114 and a hundred and fifteen-113 twice). I believe a influenced Thomas no longer most effective evens the rating with Berbick, but additionally outclasses Smith and narrowly outpoints Tucker.

Pinklon Thomas. picture via The Ring Archive.

i know TNT became a proficient athlete (with more natural skill that Thomas), but he changed into largely untested before getting into the HBO heavyweight sequence together with his fight in opposition t Buster Douglas for the IBF title that Michael Spinks vacated (or might be he turned into stripped for combating Gerry Cooney, i will’t keep in mind, however I wager on the Jinx to win that one). Thomas generally is a hot-and-cold fighter (and he shared the drug issues that plagued so lots of the gifted big guys of the 1980s, together with Tucker), however he turned into combat-verified against first-rate contenders, together with Tim Witherspoon, Mike Weaver, Gerrie Coetzee and James “short” Tillis.

both Tucker and Thomas have been neatly-schooled, both had solid boxing fundamentals. Tucker had more advantageous footwork, however Thomas had heavier hands individually. both had marvelous jabs. I think Angelo Dundee in Pinklon’s corner helps push his veteran over the finish line of a hotly contested 12-rounder.

THE choicest WINS OF THE 200S

hello Dougie,

I’m in the UK so this email is coming earlier than Crawford v Brook and after Katie Taylor’s win. thought it may have acquired stopped prior but Gutierrez held on.

while waiting on the battle approaching, my buddy has simply placed on Mayweather v Hatton. The ref wasn’t as unhealthy as i assumed. Mayweather gained that pretty. I now feel Hatton now not being capable of fight on the interior is a bit of a fantasy.

within the spirit of historical fights of the submit-2000, I’ve requested Hopkins vs Tito next on YouTube and claimed it enhanced than any of Mayweather’s wins north of a hundred thirty five.

It may well be hyperbole. So, what are the most excellent wins for you of that era, at that stage? Thanks. – Doug

through “that era” and “post-2000,” I’m guessing you suggest the 2000s, probably between the Hopkins-Trinidad (2001) and Mayweather-Hatton (2007) bouts; and through “that degree” I’m relatively certain you imply elite fighters (like B-Hop, funds, Tito and the Hitman).

The same 12 months that Hopkins outclassed Trinidad, Mayweather dominated Diego Corrales, Marco Antonio Barrera schooled and embarrassed Naseem Hamed, and Kostya Tszyu sparked Zab Judah. i can’t put one performance over the other. They were all very particular and that i turned into fortunate to be ringside (on press row) for all of them.  i used to be ringside for half of the following:

Shane Mosley’s break up decision over De La Hoya (2000), Erik Morales’ breathtaking first combat with arch-rival Barrera (2000), Hasim Rahman’s one-hitter-quitter of Lennox Lewis (2001), Lewis’ revenge KO of Rahman (2001), Vernon Forrest’s upset of Mosley (2002), Oscar De La Hoya’s stoppage of arch-rival Fernando Vargas (2002), Roy Jones Jr.’s heavyweight title victory over John Ruiz (2003), Manny Pacquiao’s prolonged

Tarver takes the lead towards Roy Jones Jr. in their 2nd encounter. photograph by using Jed Jacobsohn/ Getty pictures

beatdown of Barrera (2003), James Toney’s cruiserweight title-profitable victory over Vasiliy Jirov (2003), Antonio Tarver’s stunning rematch KO of Jones (2004), Barrera’s rubbermatch victory over Morales, Corrales’s unforgettable war with Jose Luis Castillo (2005), Hatton’s dethroning of King Kostya (2005), Morales’s interesting UD over Pacquiao (2005), Joe Calzaghe’s brutal training of Jeff Lacy (2006), Nonito Donaire’s merciless stoppage of Vic Darchinyan (2007), Israel Vazquez’s savage rematch TKO of Rafael Marquez (2007) and his inhuman effort to win their rubbermatch (2008). How’s that? if you haven’t viewed all of those high-quality fights, virtuoso performances and foremost upsets, check ‘em out. The 2000s became an eventful decade for boxing.

e-mail Fischer at [email protected]. comply with him on Twitter and IG at @dougiefischer, and join him, Tom Loeffler, educate Schwartz and friends via Tom’s Periscope or Dougie’s IG reside each Sunday.

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