Dougie’s Friday Mailbag (Tyson vs. Jones, Sammy Angott, El Alacron)
WHY IS TYSON THE favourite?
hello Dougie, hope you’re doing neatly.
I simply can’t get my head around the incontrovertible fact that Mike Tyson is the standard for his Roy Jones Jr. exhibition fight.
The remaining time Roy fought changed into 2 years ago.
The remaining time Tyson fought was 15 years in the past.
Roy runs a boxing gymnasium, practicing boxers. most likely that potential retaining healthy. as far as I remember, Tyson had no longer exactly been a mannequin sportsman for the previous 15 years, and simplest cleaned up his act currently.
Roy is three years more youthful. Tyson has no height or attain skills. The fight is 8 rounds, which is a lot for a 54 yr old. Does Tyson even have stamina to finish the fight on his legs? In his ultimate fight with Kevin McBride Tyson ran out of steam by means of round 6, and that changed into 15 years ago!
Do the little men in Vegas recognize whatever we don’t? Please share your knowledge with us. – Tigran
in keeping with DraftKings, Tyson is a -225 favourite, Jones is an underdog at +a hundred seventy five, so he’s now not a tremendous favourite however I must determine odds makers lean towards the former Baddest Man on earth for two motives: his more suitable celebrity and the indisputable fact that he’s the natural heavyweight within the matchup of senior legends.
For cost, I think Jones (or that the exhibition doesn’t go the complete eight for any motive) is an excellent wager.
You’re correct about Jones being the younger, more energizing, better preserved athlete. You’re right about Jones being the more energetic boxer in fresh years/many years and having the superior stamina.
besides the fact that children, Tyson remains the harder puncher (inspite of the glove measurement) and the two-minute rounds might assist him keep power throughout the rounds and except concerning the mid-method aspect.
Now, eight minutes doesn’t sound like a very long time, and it isn’t a long time to a herbal athlete like Jones if we’re speaking about hitting mitts or the heavybag or even sparring with an ordinary Joe, nevertheless it’s a very long time to share the ring with Tyson if the former undisputed heavyweight champ is making an attempt to take your head off.
also, believe this: considering the fact that Tyson misplaced to McBride (June 2015), Jones has been knocked out three times (by Danny green, Denis Lebedev and Enzo Maccarinelli). The stoppages within the Lebedev and Maccarinelli fights had been each demanding. His lights were became out.
Jones had a semblance of his historical form within the eco-friendly battle, but his punch resistance just wasn’t there. He had respectable footwork and reflexes (backed by using superb experience and ring generalship) vs. Lebedev, and he pretty much went the gap with the Russian cruiserweight standout, but vs. Maccarinelli he turned into operating on muscle memory and his muscle mass musta forgot (forgive me for that one; I couldn’t face up to). Jones couldn’t retain the 2015 edition of huge Mac off of him, and he couldn’t protect against the Welshman’s uppercuts.
And, ultimately, be aware that Jones’ trend is not one which works neatly with an growing old athlete with diminished reflexes. And even when Roy become at his untouchable peak, he had the bad dependancy of willingly backing as much as the ropes. In his prime, he may thoroughly give protection to himself simply by using masking up, and he was frequently capable of set traps together with his magical blend of speed, power, timing, accuracy, and unorthodox angles/punch option. In 2020, towards even the “historical-man” edition of Tyson, that tactic/habit could outcome in a wobbly second, which is all of the California commission and referee need to see to cease the battle.
LISTON’S JAB, SAMMY ANGOTT AND web IDIOTS
I actually have study several instances that Sonny had a further joint in his shoulder or could somehow manipulate it to get additional attain on his jab. Is there any reality to this or turned into it simply his stunning lengthy arms?
I’m 37 Dougie and grew up in a time the place my most effective boxing information sources have been magazines (2 months old by the time they reached Australian news stands). but what I omit from these days is, that the only opinions I’d be exposed to, were from knowledgeable boxing writers. Even the “letters to the editor” sections gave the impression to be from smartly advised enthusiasts. My question is, did the numerous idiots who now inhabit Twitter and boxing forums exist just before the internet? Or have they all the time been there and simply prior to now lacked an outlet to share their stupidity?
the place do you rank Sammy Angott among the many most desirable at a hundred thirty five? Is it proper he perfected a hit and hang method, which cause his nickname “the clutch”? hopefully he changed into more exciting than John Ruiz.
I’m staring at the “fight” this weekend for nostalgia reasons. If Tyson wins, expect an inflow of emails from morons declaring how he could nevertheless beat Fury or Joshua.
Liston vs Wilder (I suppose like Deontay more suitable of had some excuses equipped).
Thanks mate. Regards. – Will
If Wilder changed into greater in line with his jab and in fact learned the way to pop that primary shot (the style his former assistant trainer Mark Breland used to work it at welterweight), I’d provide the Bronze Bomber a puncher’s chance in this legendary matchup, but he wasn’t, so I gotta go together with the top-version of Liston (via some distance the more suitable technician) by way of mid-rounds stoppage.
I have read a few instances that Sonny had an additional joint in his shoulder or could by hook or by crook manipulate it to get further attain on his jab. Is there any actuality to this or was it just his wonderful long arms? Liston was rangy with an extended wingspan, however I’ve certainly not heard of him having extra joints in his left shoulder. He just had really good jab method. He could get additional length/torque on his jab with out stepping forward because of the style he’d lean forward/extend the punch whereas pivoting on his entrance foot and rotating his hips.
I’m 37 Dougie and grew up in a time the place my simplest boxing news sources were magazines (2 months ancient by the time they reached Australian newsstands). but what I omit from these days is, that the simplest opinions I’d be uncovered to, have been from an expert boxing writers. I hear ya. Even when those opinions grew to become out to be wrong, at least they were counseled opinions.
Even the “letters to the editor” sections gave the impression to be from smartly suggested lovers. sure, they have been for essentially the most part. whats up, if you’re going to make the effort to pen or class a proper letter, pay for postage and mail it off at the publish workplace, you’re commonly going to believe about what you’re writing. You’re going to research your field and investigate your “Ps” and “Qs” before folding that web page or pages up into that envelope and sealing it. Social media makes it too handy to fire off abbreviated, emotional, knee-jerk reactions (emphasis on the JERK).
My query is, did the countless idiots who now inhabit Twitter and boxing boards exist just before the web? Or have they at all times been there and simply previously lacked an outlet to share their stupidity? I feel the dips__ts have been at all times there, however I also accept as true with that there are extra dumb-ass fans now than ever before because they easily don’t examine as a good deal quality material on the sport as previous generations.
the place do you rank Sammy Angott among the many best at one hundred thirty five? He’s decrease right 10 in my book. (Bro, I’m one of the vital very few writers/newbie historians who rank Angott among the many pound-for-pound better of all time.) Angott become a 3-time champ who confronted 10 corridor of famers all through his 131-bout profession, which spanned from 1935-1950. He holds victories in opposition t two terrific light-weight champs, Bob Montgomery (who he outpointed 3 times) and Ike Williams (who he stopped in six rounds, however lost break up decisions in two different bouts), and against three brilliant featherweight champs (Willie Pep, Freddie Miller and baby Arizmendi). Angott changed into the first professional boxer to beat Pep (who became 62-0 going into that 1943 light-weight bout). He faced the most beneficial combatants of the late 1930s/early ’40s, together with the African-American standouts and contenders, as well as Mexican stars (Arizmendi, Juan Zurita and kid Azteca).
Is it proper he perfected a hit and dangle approach, which result in his nickname “the grab”?
with a bit of luck he became extra exciting than John Ruiz. From the restricted pictures I’ve viewed, he changed into. whereas Angott did a good job of holding and grappling on the internal, he had the experience, ring generalship, rock-strong chin and first rate offense to outwork the masterful likes of Pep and fight on even phrases with killers like Henry Armstrong, Beau Jack and Williams. Angott went the gap three times with young, top light-weight, junior welter and welterweight types of Sugar Ray Robinson in 1941, 1942 and 1946. He couldn’t do this simply by means of clutching; he had guts, he could punch and he had good protection and footwork.
I’m looking at the “fight” this weekend for nostalgia causes. If Tyson wins, expect an influx of emails from morons pointing out how he could nevertheless beat Fury or Joshua. except Fury and Joshua combat each and every different and create some legit boxing pleasure and intrigue, i will’t blame all of the dumb asses for fantasizing about Iron Mike.
obligatory first-time author long term reader. Hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving. On Monday’s Mailbag you appreciated Tank over El Alacran. I on no account see your “Davis by means of come-from-in the back of late-rounds stoppage in a grueling battle” as a stretch. We noticed Florez TKO Berchelt again in 2014 and given that winning and defending his a hundred thirty WBC strap 6 times there were moments when Berchelt was damage by means of his opponents. but I consider Berchelt beats Davis at a hundred thirty and one hundred thirty five. With all due recognize to Santa Cruz, Tank’s optimum win is in opposition t Pedraza. Over the route of winning and defending the belt Berchelt has proven development in his protection however he’s nevertheless very hittable and that’s all Tank needs, however I consider Berchelt is wise satisfactory to admire Tank’s energy and that i consider we might see an identical fight plan achieved to the one used against Miura. Given Berchelt’s vigour in his left hand I could envision him preserving Davis away with effective jabs and hooks while by no means forgetting to dig to the physique (he never does).
hopefully my bias isn’t displaying too much, now not counting Valdez out considering I always be sure to watch his fights, but “if” Berchelt beats Valdez how do you see the following expertise fights for Berchelt going?
one hundred thirty:
Berchelt vs. Herring (if Herring can avoid Shakur Stevenson)
Berchelt vs. Stevenson
Berchelt vs. Jojo Diaz (if pass advertising allows for for it)
one hundred thirty five:
Berchelt vs. Lomachenko
Berchelt vs. Commey
Berchelt vs. Haney (I suppose Hearn could make this fight)
additionally, Mikey Garcia vs. Teofimo Lopez 135 – Jason
Your legendary matchups:
Lopez via close resolution in a fine scrap
Berchelt vs. Herring – Berchelt by close (perhaps controversial) determination
Berchelt vs. Stevenson – Stevenson by shut determination
Berchelt vs. Jojo Diaz – Diaz with the aid of shut, possibly cut up determination
Berchelt vs. Lomachenko – Lomachenko via resolution
Berchelt vs. Commey – Berchelt through close resolution
Berchelt vs. Haney – Haney by using close decision
I believe Berchelt beats Davis at a hundred thirty and a hundred thirty five. That’s reasonable. The Mexican veteran remains in his athletic leading (29) and he’s proven some skill and versatility in defending the WBC a hundred thirty-pound title six instances considering the fact that lifting it from Francisco Vargas in January 2017. Davis is explosive at one hundred thirty however hasn’t proven the consistency El Alacran has at the weight. And notwithstanding Tank has a WBA secondary belt at 135, he hasn’t executed a whole lot in the division. (however, I should still element out that not one of the contenders Berchelt has defeated are as proficient as Davis.) if they ever do battle, i am hoping they do it at one hundred thirty because because the Ring’s Nos. 1 and a pair of junior lightweights, the journal’s vacant title belt would be on the road.
With all due respect to Santa Cruz, Tank’s choicest win is towards Pedraza. That’s a good name, in particular given Pedraza’s run and form at 135 and one hundred forty due to the fact that that loss.
Over the route of winning and defending the belt Berchelt has shown growth in his protection but he’s still very hittable and that is all Tank needs, however I suppose Berchelt is sensible adequate to appreciate Tank’s vigor and i feel we would see a similar fight plan executed to the one used towards Miura. I agree. although, I believe it’s more durable to ward off Tank’s assault than Miura’s straight-forward aggression.
Given Berchelt’s power in his left hand I could envision him keeping Davis away with robust jabs and hooks whereas in no way forgetting to dig to the physique (he on no account does). hi there, Santa Cruz, is near the same height and wingspan as Berchelt, and he become in a position to put palms on Tank, even lumping-up the younger, naturally bigger fighter’s face a bit of. Berchelt can field with greater athleticism and punch with a lot more authority. besides the fact that children, Tank is complicated and determined and i’m certain he’ll be looking to counter Alacran whenever the Mexican goes to his body.
It’s a desirable advantage matchup.
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