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Dougie’s Monday Mailbag (Tyson-Jones, Joe Joyce and Daniel Dubois)

Dougie’s Monday Mailbag (Tyson-Jones, Joe Joyce and Daniel Dubois)

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30
Nov
by using Doug Fischer

LEGENDS, CONTENDERS & PRETENDERS

hi Dougie,

i am hoping you are neatly and loved the interesting weekend of boxing. i need to get your take on the fights and participants. here are mine:

Contenders – Joe Joyce is a genuine contender and won’t be a simple battle for any heavyweight. He strikes me as a better fighter than he looks and is underrated in capacity, electricity, power, event and mobility. I believe The Juggernaut has a superb opportunity of defeating Usyk at heavyweight, if that combat occurs subsequent. i’d like to see an expert rematch of the 2016 Olympic super heavyweight final in opposition t Tony Yoka. Yoka had an honest win this weekend in opposition t Hammer. Who has impressed you most out of Joyce and Yoka since their closing meeting?

Daniel Dubois showed that he can come once again, however basically lacked the journey to win this large “step up” battle. Many have been too quick to claim that he changed into the future of the heavyweight division and “the next Mike Tyson” and a lot of will now be too brief to jot down him off.

Legends – regardless of my reservations, I did have fun with gazing Iron Mike back in the ring. certainly it’s a massive risk him being in the ring at his advanced age, but in the context of this exhibition he had definitely obtained himself in in reality first rate shape and got here to battle. one of the crucial historic advantage and technique were nonetheless visible. Roy Jones Jr is one in every of my all-time favourites and performed his part during this exhibition however struggled to contend with the rejuvenated former heavyweight champ and in fact simply played a spoiling role in the “contest”.

Pretenders – The YouTuber Jake Paul is in reality taking this task critically and can fight a bit of. NBA stars should ignore ever stepping into the ring to fight. Snoop Dogg became absolutely proper when he exclaimed, “that you would be able to’t play at boxing!”

Regards. – Jeremy, UK

No blowing smoke, Tyson seemed decent, and sounded as enthralling as ever Saturday. He’s nonetheless boxing’s precise star.

Snoop had the entire appropriate words on the correct instances (which, come to feel of it, shouldn’t have been a surprise… he’s a legendary rapper, wordplay and timing are the equipment of this alternate), but he also had the applicable perspective for the evening: He didn’t take it critically. He had enjoyable and he made the viewing journey that a good deal extra entertaining.

I didn’t comprehend what to make of the Paul-Robinson matchup. I don’t observe the NBA in any respect and if Paul (and his older brother Logan) had certainly not dabbled in boxing, I wouldn’t be aware of a issue about him aside from my daughters draw back whenever his (or his brother’s) name is introduced up. despite the fact, I knew he’d have a decided side in opposition t the basketball player by using having one seasoned bout beneath his belt as smartly as the practicing camps that preceded each of his pro experiences.  

Contenders – Joe Joyce is a genuine contender and received’t be a straightforward fight for any heavyweight. I agree. He’s effective, awkward, very long lasting and he’s obtained a hell of an engine for such a big physique. On proper of that, he moves an awful lot more desirable than i assumed he might, and he’s sensible. That’s a difficult mixture of attributes for any heavyweight to dominate.

He strikes me as a far better fighter than he looks and is underrated in skill, electricity, energy, experience and mobility. He’s an improved stick-and-stream boxer than i thought he was coming into the Dubois combat. His strength, power and adventure have been as good as advertised.

I think The Juggernaut has a brilliant chance of defeating Usyk at heavyweight, if that fight occurs subsequent. Usyk had his number once they met on earth series of Boxing in 2013, but the Ukrainian southpaw has acquired more put on and tear on his body now, and they handiest went five rounds within the WSB; they’ll be going 12 if and when they meet as professionals. That’s a very long time to share the ring with Joyce (and the extra forty-50 pounds the Londoner may have on former undisputed cruiserweight champ). That’s likely a 50-50 combat.

i’d love to see an expert rematch of the 2016 Olympic super heavyweight final towards Tony Yoka. it could be a high-profile combat in Europe.

Yoka had a decent win this weekend in opposition t Hammer. Who has impressed you most out of Joyce and Yoka considering the fact that their remaining meeting? Neither heavyweight impressed that a good deal given that turning pro (well, unless Joyce stopped Dubois), but Yoka appears likes the more naturally proficient boxer and athlete with the greater upside, youngsters, so did Dubois before he really shared the ring with Joyce.

Daniel Dubois confirmed that he can come once again, but really lacked the experience to win this large “step up” fight. event is every little thing in boxing.

Many had been too quick to claim that he was the future of the heavyweight division and “the subsequent Mike Tyson” and a lot of will now be too brief to jot down him off. Yeah, i can’t really be bothered with the “knee-jerks” tossing their s__t round on Twitter; be certain to giggle at those foolish chimpanzees for me.

Legends – despite my reservations, I did have fun with watching Iron Mike returned in the ring. So did I. i thought he and Jones were in a position to resurrect points of their historical form and styles for short flashes in-between the grappling. and i thought they put forth a genuine effort devoid of making an attempt to critically damage every different. It changed into a a success challenge from that viewpoint.

evidently it’s an immense chance him being within the ring at his advanced age, but in the context of this exhibition he had definitely bought himself in basically good form and came to battle. Yeah! In different words, he delivered. So did Jones.

Roy Jones Jr is one in every of my all-time favourites and performed his part during this exhibition but struggled to take care of the rejuvenated former heavyweight champ and in reality just played a spoiling position within the “contest”. Aw come on, give the Pensacola native some credit score. Tyson turned into a as soon as-in-lifetime heavyweight talent. Roy turned into a once-in-a-lifetime middleweight/super middleweight ability. I’d say Jones did neatly not to get KTFO. He did a fine job of punching on the fly, keeping his again off the ropes, and he landed his share of challenging shots. He had his moments.

THE combat of britain

hello Doug!

i hope you and yours are doing first-class during the rattling plague. Can’t stay up for it eventually being purged from the lands. Let me say thank you to you and your group for assisting us regular folks get a little distracted in these trying instances!

Like many others i used to be enormously skeptical of the Tyson-RJJ exhibition. Now that it’s done I’m kinda pleased they did it the correct means: trying to display some signature strikes with out real intentions to harm the other guy badly. concerned with the show, with a certain dignity and a cordial put up-combat atmosphere. I’m no longer bound this exhibition changed into greatly assisting our game nonetheless it did no extreme hurt either, I consider. And Mike at the least appeared genuinely satisfied after.

Now sports. I loved the combat of britain. Seldom become a nom de guerre greater fitting than Juggernaut! I favored the Usyk impressions Joyce gave after the combat and i‘m looking forward to a probable Joyce-Usyk rematch, perhaps for the WBO belt. As for Dubois: if not as a fan, then as a Neurosurgeon, I do must compliment him for his determination to hand over. That swiftly swelling eye might have smartly been as a result of a lateral orbital fracture. I might of course be wrong however my interpretation from DDDs reaction is that the final punch from Joyce may have pinched his optical nerve in its fractured channel and thereby caused some flash-like visible sensation that I imagine to be fairly horrifying for a young man like him. could have been greater though for his future self assurance if someone else but himself had stopped the fight. i do know that’s kitchen psychology however i thought he looked somewhat desperate from early on when in his corner. What’s your take on that and the place do you suppose they both will go from here on?

MM:

RJJ vs James Toney (for RJJ’s Heavyweight belt)

GGG vs Dmitry Pirog (in 2012)

Lobo vs Wolverine

reside in shape, Doug! Cheers. – Mark from Germany

Your mythical Matchups: Jones via resolution but a version of Toney that doesn’t have to make weight makes it a a lot nearer fight than their first stumble upon at 168 pounds, Golovkin grinds a video game-however-outgunned Pirog down to a stoppage between rounds eight and eleven, and Lobo starches Logan in the opening round (but don’t be anxious, the Canadian mutant’s previously liquified mind may have healed a hundred% by the time his stretcher reaches the ambulance).

Like many others i used to be incredibly skeptical of the Tyson-RJJ exhibition. i used to be just involved that certainly one of them would get hurt (and thinking it might probably be Jones).

Now that it’s completed I’m kinda pleased they did it the right method: attempting to display some signature moves with out actual intentions to harm the other man badly. occupied with the reveal, with a undeniable dignity and a cordial post-battle ambiance. It turned into enjoyable, exciting (partly on account of the shared social media journey with fellow hardcore heads and Snoop Dogg’s commentary, which kind of introduced a PPV condominium birthday party vibe to the broadcast) and satisfying on account of the hassle the two icons gave and the appreciate they confirmed every other in a while.

I’m now not certain this exhibition changed into vastly assisting our game, nonetheless it did no extreme hurt either, I consider. I believe it brought more positives than negatives.

I loved the combat of britain. Seldom changed into a nom de guerre greater becoming than Juggernaut! Yeah, Joyce is as amazing and sturdy as they come, but he additionally exhibited some good footwork/lateral stream, a high-quality jab and patience while executing the right game plan to put on down Dubois.

I favored the Usyk impressions Joyce gave after the fight and that i‘m anticipating a possible Joyce-Usyk rematch, possibly for the WBO belt. Man, i’m hoping the WBO doesn’t strip Anthony Joshua. I’d rather Usyk-Joyce be a remaining removing bout for that belt. Usyk doesn’t need to be a mandatory challenger according to one first rate victory at heavyweight (gatekeeper Derek Chisora) and Joyce doesn’t should combat for a global title when his top-quality professional victory changed into in opposition t a prospect. I really want the Fury-Joshua showdown to happen next year and that i suppose the undisputed championship should still be on the road.

As for Dubois: if now not as a fan, then as a Neurosurgeon, I do must praise him for his determination to give up. That unexpectedly swelling eye might have smartly been due to a lateral orbital fracture. Your neurosurgeon vision serves you well, Mark. Dubois changed into taken to a medical institution immediately after the combat where it changed into published that he suffered a fractured orbital bone and nerve harm in his eye.

I might of direction be incorrect but my interpretation from DDD’s reaction is that the closing punch from Joyce might have pinched his optical nerve in its fractured channel and thereby caused some flash-like visual sensation that I imagine to be reasonably frightening for a young man like him. Dude, they obligatory you to be there as each commentator and ringside surgeon. Calling it an evening changed into evidently the correct choice.

Joyce vs. Dubois.

might had been improved though for his future self assurance if someone else however himself had stopped the fight. bound, however the method the end came turned into somewhat abrupt, no? You pointed out your self that the punch that caused Dubois to take a knee probably pinched his nerve, which caused him to choose discretion as the improved a part of valor. in advance of that, his greatest problem turned into diminishing imaginative and prescient and lack of ability to harm or nook Joyce. Dubois’ eye became swelling shut through the conclusion of round 5, but he become still doing well and profitable rounds. at the time of the stoppage, Dubois was up on two of three professional scorecards. I had Joyce up 5 rounds to 4 after the ninth, however Dubois become actually in the combat.

i know that’s kitchen psychology however i thought he seemed reasonably desperate from early on when in his corner. He’s bought to find out how to deal with adversity if he desires to someday improve to contender repute. A opponents’ corners need to seem to be out for his or her wellbeing, however they can’t baby them.

What’s your take on that and where do you believe they each will go from right here on? I think Dubois is younger ample to improve physically and psychologically from his eye harm and this setback however will take him a year or two to regain the mojo/hype and profession momentum he had going into Saturday’s battle. I suppose Joyce’s future is now. He’s 35. His handlers should roll the dice with him and notice if he can hold with the legit contenders of the recreation’s glamor division.

IT become AN EXHIBITION!

hiya Doug,

Hope every thing’s neatly with you and your family unit and you had a cheerful Thanksgiving. I just wanted to talk about some thing that caught my eye on Twitter. individuals had been complaining in regards to the so-known as draw between Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr., when as far as i do know, there have been no reliable scoring. From what I heard, this changed into simply celeb boxers scoring as an opinion as exhibitions are only that, exhibitions, there’s no winner.

yes, Tyson turned into the guy who turned into winning these rounds, but it didn’t remember, in the end it become just whatever to entertain and that’s it. The difficulty I saw is that individuals at the moment are using this new “controversy” as a way to bash boxing again. I’m simply upset that each person available is asserting this changed into a draw and making it even worse. I wish they just go away for what it became an exhibition. if they have been in reality concerned about scoring the combat, they should still’ve brought guys from the media that usually do this like Steve Farhood. Man, I hate that the rest that brings attention to boxing ends up being controversial within the conclusion.

Thanks Doug. – Juan Valverde

I wouldn’t let it bother me so much if I had been you, Juan. Most observers simply loved staring at both corridor of famers share the ring. They weren’t concerned with who changed into “profitable” the rounds. They paid extra attention to Snoop Dogg’s commentary than to the WBC’s unofficial judges – Chad Dawson, Christy Martin and Vinny Pazienza (who scored it for Jones). inform anyone pitching a bitch about about Vinny’s scorecard to take it up with the previous light-weight and junior middleweight titleholder – in adult. I’m sure the Pazmanian satan will set them straight with a few first rate-natured slaps across the chops.

JOYCE-DUBOIS

hello Dougie,

i hope you have been capable of watch the all-British heavyweight conflict on Saturday, credit score to Frank Warren for giving fanatics a deal with and not placing it on PPV.

Joe Joyce also deserves credit, i assumed he boxed a really wise combat using a jab and circulation fashion we hadn’t seen from him given that his novice days. even as Dubois did enough to win rounds, The Juggernaut all the time seemed more comfy.

For me, Dubois regarded each bit a fighter who lacked experience and had in no way faced an opponent similar in ability and will before, and he seemed confused when he landed clear vigor photographs and Joyce didn’t fold over like his previous opponents. Dubois is young and talented, but he has a great deal to be trained before facing the elite stage warring parties.

individually, both guys aren’t elite degree, even if Dubois has numerous time to learn. in my opinion I’d favour any precise heavyweight (Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Usyk, Whyte etc) over each guys.

What are your thoughts on each their futures? thank you once more. – Tommy, London

As I mentioned prior during this mailbag column, Tommy, I consider Joyce’s future is now, however Dubois nevertheless has a vibrant future, he simply gained’t recognize his skills for a couple of years.

I agree that neither heavyweight is elite, but there are simplest two “elite” massive guys at the present time – Fury and Joshua – three if you count number Wilder. i will be able to see Fury toying with Joyce over 12 rounds, AJ step by step donning the 2016 Olympic silver medalist all the way down to a late stoppage, and Wilder blasting him within the opening rounds. however Whyte, Parker, Ortiz, Usyk and different brilliant heavyweights may have their arms full with the Englishman of Scottish and Nigerian descent. I’m no longer saying I’d want him to beat them, but I don’t believe these are handy fights for them.

Joe Joyce additionally deserves credit, i assumed he boxed a extremely smart fight using a jab and stream style we hadn’t considered from him when you consider that his novice days. I should still have watched Joyce’s newbie bouts before making a prediction on the outcomes of this matchup, because the Juggernaut’s pro bouts had me considering “Dooby” could be maneuvering round him like some of the cats from Morpheus’ crew in the Matrix.

while Dubois did adequate to win rounds, The Juggernaut all the time appeared greater comfortable. He had the facial expression of someone taking a leisurely summer time stroll in a park. He barely winced when Dooby hit him together with his gold standard pictures. Come to believe of it, Juggy’s face was barely marked up after the battle. Whoever fights Joyce next may need to test the big man’s body as opposed to goal his relatively face.

For me, Dubois seemed every bit a fighter who lacked experience and had certainly not faced an opponent an identical in ability and will before, and he appeared perplexed when he landed clean vigour pictures and Joyce didn’t fold over like his outdated opponents. i noticed that too. Dooby needed to go the gap, or as a minimum go into deep waters, with a more difficult/fresher fighter than Kevin Johnson earlier than taking on Joyce. gut exams are critical for any establishing fighter on his approach to a global title. might be his handlers figured Joyce become to be the gut investigate – they had been right about that if that’s the case however Juggy was too tons.

Dubois is younger and talented, however he has lots to study before facing the elite degree fighters. little question about it, but I’m going to savour gazing him accumulate himself and proceed his building.

big fit

Doug –

How would Joyce fare against Ortiz?

Kevin Key. – Duluth, MN.

Would this matchup be for the title of Most-expert Plodder in the heavyweight division? just kidding. I suppose Ortiz can box and punch Joyce with a lot more authority than Dubois. The Cuban is not a green up-and-comer, he’s a veteran’s veteran. despite the fact, Luis is additionally getting lengthy within the teeth and his stamina has certainly not been that first rate. My hunch is that Joyce can outmaneuver and outlast the potent southpaw technician and both stop him late or narrowly outpoint him over 12 aggressive rounds.

old fighters coming out OF RETIREMENT

good day Doug,

i was just questioning, would it be such a foul conception if Mike Tyson started a league for old retired boxers? He outlined it as soon as just a few months back and i consider like it may well now not be a bad thought beneath modified suggestions like Tyson vs Jones. it is more suitable than the freak exhibit battle Floyd did in Japan.

If nobody obtained hurt in Tyson vs Jones, I don’t see why a Holyfield vs Tyson three or a Lewis vs Tyson 2 or a Tyson vs Foreman is such a bad idea below modified guidelines.

Who do you suppose will win these fights in the event that they had been to turn up now beneath particular suggestions? Regards. – Saurabh

I suppose those bouts can be exhibitions, as Tyson vs. Jones was, so there gained’t be any official winner, but if

This dream matchup should continue to be a delusion combat.

there’s a stoppage the boxer who caused it to happen can be viewed as the “winner with the aid of KO” by most of the public and media.

I think i’d favor Holyfield and Lewis to get the more desirable of Tyson all through their exhibitions. however I consider Tyson-Holyfield can be competitive. I doubt Lewis would be attracted to such “folly.” and i actually believe Tyson vs. Foreman could be a foul conception. Come on, bro, Foreman is 71.

i was simply questioning, would it be such a nasty conception if Mike Tyson all started a league for old retired boxers? That’s his business plan. He desires to beginning a Legends handiest League that matches iconic athletes from a number of activities in a single-on-one competitions. We’ll see the way it performs out.

He mentioned it as soon as just a few months lower back and i think like it could now not be a nasty conception under modified suggestions like Tyson vs Jones. it’s enhanced than the freak show battle Floyd did in Japan. smartly, that’s no longer surroundings the bar very high, but I’d probably watch Tyson vs. Holyfield or Ray Leonard vs. Marvin Hagler (fat possibility of either agreeing to it).

THE IMMORTAL B-HOP

Doug,

Seeing Tyson v Jones, makes you realise how particular Bernard Hopkins became to be ultra-competitive combating and beating younger guys at the identical age as they have been on Saturday. – Phil, Wales

Hopkins was indeed certainly one of a form. That’s why I at all times tell him he’s the last of the tremendous combatants on every occasion I see him. It’s also fair to say that he become totally crazy for combating world-class light heavyweights into his late 40s.  

DANIEL DUBOIS

howdy Dougie,

what’s your take on Frank Warren and his system of managing Daniel Dubois? I have viewed this outcome so repeatedly now, FW hypes up a scorching prospect via putting him in for 1 or 2 round destructions of half time Cab drivers, Warehousemen and Goat herders, with the young fighter discovering nothing and falling right into a muscle reminiscence groove of pondering all and sundry will give way after a half dozen or so big right palms.

Then when he gets put in with an skilled fighter with a defence and a chin he’s absolutely lost after four rounds of the only formulation he knows now not working. combine this with getting hit in the face method more than he has ever universal and the inevitable bubble bursting second comes, This ridiculous style of constructing a double digit win checklist with the fabled “0” by means of pitting a new fighter towards stiffs is ruining their construction, good enough get a few easy wins originally but at the least up the ranges as they growth.

I watched the construct-up for this long-marinated bout and also you could tell Joyce turned into relishing it (sure I put a few quid on Joyce months ago). Joyce may see Dubois is naive and along with his granite chin and the intelligence to circulate appropriate the entire time away from the hazard vigour correct hand while jabbing he controlled the space and tempo all the method.

superior Regards. – Steve Pollen

Joyce’s newbie adventure confirmed all through the contest and it gave him a bigger aspect than many anticipated. I believe most of us knew that Joyce could take a shot. He just has that sturdy seem to be about him and nobody’d seen him rocked in old bouts. Joyce had also confronted the greater superb professional opposition going into the showdown with Dooby. That served him neatly. however that doesn’t suggest DDD feasted on total patsies on his method to 15 consecutive victories.

He simply under no circumstances experienced a true gut check until he confronted Joyce, whose painfully ponderous performances in old bouts kind of created a mirage that possible inspired Warren and team Dubois to take this combat sooner instead of later. That grew to become out to be a mistake, however most of us can not (or should still now not) rip Warren or 2d guess the wisdom Dooby’s team or the validity of his blue-chip prospect fame because most of us picked him to win (more than a number of hardcore fanatics and participants of the media envisioned that he’d tear throughout Joyce).

I don’t consider it’s fair to assert Dooby became “totally lost after 4 rounds” vs. Joyce. For starters, Juggy is greater than “an skilled fighter with a defence and a chin,” he’s an Olympic medalist with freakish stamina for man his measurement.

additionally, i assumed DDD won Rounds 5 and seven (even with the swollen eye) and that i idea he changed into aggressive in circular 8. He turned into in too deep vs. Joyce, but he’s not a entrance-runner or a pampered hype job. He’ll jump returned from this setback and the adventure will make him a far better, improved all-round fighter.

 

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