Dougie’s Monday Mailbag (Canelo Alvarez, Gennadiy Golovkin, Carlos Gongora)
THE complete FIGHTER
That turned into a really special performance from Canelo. Most idea he would win however to do so in this kind of convincing trend became a big observation.
ability, pace, defense, offence and power were all on show and, rattling, what a display. It really wouldn’t have mattered if Smith had had a full twelve weeks to prepare.
Many elite opponents are first rate in any respect issues but specially excel in a few areas. Is there a local the place Canelo doesn’t excel? Is he now at a stage the place he may be known as a complete fighter?
The power he has at 168 is scary in reality. Smith, however, looks to have lost all of his power at the weight. The apparent bicep detachment can’t have helped but curiously he pointed to abrasions on his arm all through the post-battle interview… here goes… did Canelo punch his muscle off? now not some thing you ask day by day.
A be aware on my man GGG who seemed definitely mind-blowing albeit against restrained opposition. The time with Jonathon Banks is paying off and the ancient dog might even be researching some new tricks.
Now for that legacy combat with Canelo… it’ll should take region in a bunker if it’s at 168.
closing evening’s Canelo v Joe Calzaghe circa Lacy
Thanks for yet another incredible year of mailbags. Merry Christmas. – Chris R, UK
No. 19 is in the books, Chris.
I’ll go with Calzaghe by using split choice in a hotly contested chess suit.
Like many of the warring parties within the mythical rankings, Canelo is certainly a complete fighter, but not like lots of his pound-for-pound friends – Naoya Inoue, Terence Crawford, Aleksandr Usyk, Errol Spence, Teofimo Lopez, Josh Taylor – the Mexican celebrity has already compiled a corridor-of-repute valuable resume. and in contrast to the active elite veterans who’re headed to the corridor of repute – Manny Pacquiao, Roman Gonzalez, Vasiliy Lomachenko, Gennadiy Golovkin – Canelo, 30, continues to be in his athletic best. (The P4P participant still in his top with the most elite adventure, subsequent to Canelo, is fellow Mexican Juan Francisco Estrada, however “El Gallo” – who is additionally 30, which is older for a sub-bantamweight than it’s for middleweight – may be the “different side” of his peak.)
So, Canelo’s acquired the physical prowess to place that corridor-of-fame stage adventure into motion as he needs it during a fight. There’s practically no condition in the ring that he hasn’t skilled via now or can’t adjust to on the fly. On good of that, he’s wise, a pupil of the game (who keeps discovering within the gym, and combat by combat), and he’s veteran of mega-activities, so he’s at all times comfortable and confident when he takes center stage. He’s going to be a extremely tough man to beat for any of the ultimate one hundred sixty-168-pound standouts that he hasn’t already defeated.
That become a truly particular performance from Canelo. Most idea he would win but to accomplish that in one of these convincing fashion turned into an immense remark. It shocked me notwithstanding, just like the majority of enthusiasts and media, I picked Canelo to win by means of determination or late stoppage. i assumed Smith can be an awful lot more durable on Canelo, but the towering defending 168-pound champ received bossed across the ring via 5-foot-eight former 154-pound champ. I agree that it become an announcement, one which become large satisfactory to win over loads of Canelo’s critics, a lot of whom are actually announcing that he deserves to be No. 1 in the pound-for-pound rankings.
ability, speed, protection, offense and power had been all on show and, rattling, what a demonstrate. It in reality wouldn’t have mattered if Smith had had a full twelve weeks to put together. I don’t understand the large deal some made about the length of Smith’s camp to put together for Canelo. Didn’t Canelo have the exact same amount of time to put together for Smith? Neither champ has to be anxious about a 9-to-5 gig. Boxing is their full-time job regardless in the event that they’ve obtained a combat scheduled. Canelo remained in working towards after the Cinco De Mayo Billy Joe Saunders battle was scratched as a result of the pandemic. Smith’s name had been mentioned as a possible Canelo opponent earlier than and after that combat cancellation. He may still were within the gymnasium in view that the birth of summer with nothing however the redhead on his intellect.
Many elite warring parties are decent at all issues however above all excel in a couple of areas. Is there an area the place Canelo doesn’t excel? He doesn’t have the fastest ft and he doesn’t cut the ring off in addition to a primary Julio Cesar Chavez or GGG, but other than that, he’s the full kit.
Is he now at a stage where he can be referred to as a complete fighter? the primary time I heard that term “finished fighter” turned into from the late Bouie Fisher. The area of our conversation was, of path, Bernard Hopkins. It become early 2001, earlier than Hopkins took half in Don King’s middleweight match on HBO. Fisher instructed me that comprehensive opponents are very infrequent during this period and that Hopkins became “almost there.” I advised him that Hopkins showed me every thing in his first bout vs. the dangerous Antwun Echols (December 1999). Fisher talked about it takes at least 10 years to increase an entire fighter, and that’s most effective if a well informed trainer has a very special pupil it’s willing to devote himself to his craft for that amount of time and past. I think Canelo is that variety of fighter and Eddy Reynoso is an aficionado of boxing and its background identical to Fisher changed into. It’s taken greater than 10 years, but Eddy’s superstar fighter has arrived.
The energy he has at 168 is scary really. He has to cut weight to make 160 at this stage of his profession, which influences his power down the stretch of difficult fights (as we saw vs. GGG), and he’s too heavy at 175, his pace and reflexes decelerate a bit (as we noticed vs. Kovalev). however tremendous middleweight looks just like the ideal weight category for him. He retains his velocity and energy at 168.
Smith, although, appears to have misplaced all of his vigour at the weight. along with his body, now fighting into his 30s, it would be mad for him to stay at 168. gentle heavyweight beckons.
The apparent bicep detachment can’t have helped but curiously he pointed to abrasions on his arm throughout the submit-combat interview… right here goes… did Canelo punch his muscle off? not whatever you ask daily. That’s as a result of few opponents from this era target the fingers of their opponents. however, sure, I do feel Canelo led to that harm with an intentional punch. check out this RingTV Instagram publish:
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A word on my man GGG who seemed in fact marvelous albeit in opposition t confined opposition. The time with Jonathon Banks is paying off and the old dog could even be discovering some new tricks. i believed Golvokin’s method become sharper than it seemed in all over his first two bouts with Banks (vs. Steve Rolls and Sergiy Derevyanchenko), and his defense and punch preference was savvier than it’s been in years. It appears like the third camp become the appeal for the fighter and coach to click and gel.
GGG, CANELO, mythical MATCHUPS
First, i hope you and your entire relatives have a very good break season, capping off this most strange year.
2d, a few innovations on the fights this weekend:
- turned into exquisite to peer GGG again within the ring after a protracted layoff. despite the four knockdowns, i assumed it become evident he has lost some steam.
- The DAZN crew was doing their foremost to use his efficiency as a primer for a third combat with Canelo, and that i gotta say I haven’t any activity in that at this factor. unluckily, I feel the money on both sides outweighs my own interests.
- astonishing efficiency by Canelo and kudos to Callum Smith for staying on his toes for 12 rounds notwithstanding it immediately grew to be clear he didn’t have the vigour to bother Canelo. no longer lots to claim other than that. just an exceedingly magnificent efficiency by using Alvarez.
- I’d like to see Canelo flow returned up to mild Heavy. I consider there are a number of fighters there which have the power imperative to give him a pretty good combat. no longer sure I see that at mid or super mid. but does Canelo-Beterbiev out satisfactory butts in seats to justify the chance for Canelo?
Third, a number of MMs to cap things off:
Julian Jackson vs. Jaime Munguia at 154
King Kostya vs. Bud at one hundred forty
Chico vs. Teofimo at one hundred thirty five
provide me the Hawk in a wildly entertaining, albeit short, battle by the use of devastating KO. Kostya in a close but unanimous choice vs Bud. Chico by the use of championship circular KO.
happy vacation trips. – John
happy vacations to you too, John, and to the entire mailbag readers.
I believe your first two legendary matchup picks, but as much as i adore the late Diego Corrales, I believe Lopez has the athleticism, ring IQ and power to preserve him at bay for 12 rounds and win a aggressive determination.
was great to peer GGG again within the ring after an extended layoff. despite the four knockdowns, i thought it changed into evident he has misplaced some steam. hey, recapturing your form is one element, recapturing your youth is reasonably an extra (certainly in case you’re a clean athlete). GGG is 38. He’ll be 39 in April. He had an extended newbie profession and he’s been in some challenging pro fights. it’s what it’s.
The DAZN crew changed into doing their greatest to make use of his efficiency as a primer for a third combat with Canelo, and i gotta say I haven’t any activity in that at this element. unluckily, I think the funds on either side outweighs my personal pastimes. We’ll see. If No. 3 occurs, it must take place in 2021, otherwise I’m gonna be ailing of listening to about it, similar to the Spence-Crawford matchup. At this element, i can take it or leave it.
incredible efficiency by Canelo and kudos to Callum Smith for staying on his toes for 12 rounds however it promptly became clear he didn’t have the vigour to bother Canelo. no longer a whole lot to say aside from that. It was one of the most superior performances of 2020, up there with Fury’s stoppage of Wilder, Lopez outpointing Lomachenko, and my man Chocolatito breaking down Kal Yafai.
I’d love to see Canelo stream lower back as much as gentle Heavy. I feel he would, however best for the right combat.
I believe there are just a few opponents there which have the energy vital to give him a superb battle. certain, Artur Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol are each beasts. I’d fairly them combat each other first. it will be for the vacant Ring journal a hundred seventy five-pound title, which may function bait for Canelo, who’s into making history. I don’t suppose there’s ever been a 4-division Ring champion.
but does Canelo-Beterbiev out ample butts in seats to justify the risk for Canelo? Canelo vs. anybody is going to do well, however to justify the severe hazard that Beterbiev gifts, I consider it could ought to be a bona fide mega-fight. at the moment, Beterbiev just isn’t that B-facet. And, alas, through no fault of his personal, he’s no longer been able to construct on the momentum created by means of his 2019 victory over Oleksandr Gvozdyk. A showdown with Bivol could re-ignite that fireplace.
OUTCLASSED but complicated AS NAILS
What on earth kept Szermeta and Callum Smith upright? Szermeta saved getting up from brutal photographs, much respect to that guy, that being said I don’t wanna see my favourite fighter near Canelo, his higher physique flow makes it very nearly unattainable to hit him cleanly and he returns laser like counterpunches… I tons rather see GGG combat Charlo as he would be stupid satisfactory to face in entrance of GGG an try to bang it out, and with that world classification jab an power i can see GGG gettin a late circular knockout…. What are your techniques Dougie? – JD from the O
i’d a little prefer GGG in a showdown with Jermall, however I don’t think Charlo would do anything else “dull” in opposition t the previous unified champ. I believe Charlo won positive adventure going 24 rounds with Matt Korobov and Derevyanchenko, and i consider he exhibited fantastic boxing strategy vs. Derev. The Houston native would try and do the identical vs. Golovkin, but I suppose GGG’s jab and more suitable power would make him a a great deal tougher nut to crack than SD.
What on earth saved Szermeta and Callum Smith upright? Genetics and loads of satisfaction.
Szermeta stored getting up from brutal photographs, a good deal recognize to that guy, that being spoke of I don’t wanna see my favourite fighter close Canelo, his upper physique stream makes it just about unimaginable to hit him cleanly and he returns laser like counterpunches… BetOnline listed Golovkin at +200 (a 2-to-1 underdog) vs. Canelo following the weekend’s fights, and i trust those odds. on the other hand, I consider GGG nevertheless offers Canelo his toughest battle at a hundred and sixty pounds. At 168, I give Canelo even more of an edge, however I get the sensation that Golovkin will always be a difficult opponent for him.
2020’S GRAND FINALE
hi there Doug,
Season’s Greetings to you and all your colleagues at the Ring. After a horrific year for the realm in familiar and a majorly disrupted 12 months for all sports together with boxing, it has been decent to see probably the most biggest stars in our recreation doing what they do most suitable in the remaining few weeks of the yr.
GGG regarded respectable in beating down a tough however overmatched obligatory contender and after all the contract complications of the ultimate few months, Canelo acquired returned within the ring and impressed in profitable The Ring 168lb championship belt.
i was shocked with the criticism that Mundo got for his efficiency this weekend. talking on DAZN, Sergio Mora and others questioned even if Smith had definitely come to win. I felt those comments have been an insult and a liberty coming from americans who had never fought on the level Smith become competing at. I felt that given the brief be aware of the match, no one may whinge about Smith’s effort. the primary six rounds, bar the fourth, have been all very close with Smith definitely trying to capture Canelo with a lot of his trademark jabs, straight rights, left hooks and uppercuts. The incontrovertible fact that he turned into no longer capable of put tons of a dent on the advancing Mexican is extra a testomony to Canelo’s elite protective skills and chin, rather than any lack of ambition from the now former champion.
For Canelo’s half, he fought an excellent battle against an even bigger and rangier champion. I believe that the 168lb division suits him and he’s superior than ever at this weight. I actually have known Alvarez as one of boxing’s P4P elite considering that his fits with GGG but, due to the narrow margins of some of his wins, i used to be on no account reasonably ready to proclaim him number 1. although, with the pleasant of his opposition over the final few years, Loma’s recent defeat and Crawford’s uninspiring challengers, no one in my intellect deserves this position more. Over to you Monster Inuoe!
My best small criticism of Canelo is his reluctance to finally settle the rating along with his historic nemesis GGG. Like most others, i believed GGG won their first fight and located the rematch too close to call. Don’t get me wrong, i would make Canelo the generic if the have been to meet now as he is in his prime, whereas Golovkin has receded slightly on the age of 38. i’d also expect GGG to need to come as much as 168 giving Canelo the measurement competencies that GGG previously enjoyed. There are often many the reason why fights are difficult to make, but let’s be honest in this case if Canelo desired this combat it could turn up next. If it doesn’t turn up quickly, then it turns into pointless.
aside from that match, i would be attracted to Canelo vs Billy Joe Saunders due to BJS providing whatever trend clever that no other contender does. I don’t believe it’s reasonable for individuals to demand that Alvarez drag his 5’8” body lower back up to a hundred seventy five to prove himself there and that i don’t believe Caleb Plant has done ample yet to soar the queue. Who would you want to see the long run HoFamer challenged by way of?
Canelo vs Eubank at 168
Pryor vs Crawford at 140
Azumah Nelson vs Tank at a hundred thirty
Regards. – Jeremy, UK
Your mythical matchups:
Canelo vs Eubank at 168 – Canelo by means of majority determination in an interesting tit-for-tat chess fit that facets sporadic bursts of vigour from each iron-chinned super middleweights
Pryor vs Crawford at one hundred forty – The Hawk just edges Bud on sheer volume and relentless aggression in a traditional skillful struggle
Azumah Nelson vs Tank at one hundred thirty – The Professor takes the gutsy young gun to school, wins a aggressive however clear UD.
i used to be stunned with the criticism that Mundo bought for his efficiency this weekend. No criticism geared toward a dropping fighter from enthusiasts, commentators or, unluckily, fellow boxers – despite how disrespectful or ridiculous it’s – surprises me anymore.
I felt that given the short note of the in shape, no one may complain about Smith’s effort. I suppose most fanatics that complained about Smith’s effort were definitely just hoping he would stand his floor more and take more dangers. If an excellent Dane picks a combat with a Terrier and receives greater than it bargained for, no one’s going to suppose sorry for the big dog. They’re just going to admire the “massive fight” within the little dog.
the primary six rounds, bar the fourth, had been all very shut with Smith actually making an attempt to capture Canelo with lots of his trademark jabs, straight rights, left hooks and uppercuts. You and i saw a distinct combat. i assumed Smith became making an effort, letting his hands go in spots, but i believed he evidently misplaced the next five rounds after successful the hole round with the aid of outworking Canelo. I didn’t believe Rounds 2-6 have been “very shut.”
The indisputable fact that he become now not in a position to put much of a dent on the advancing Mexican is extra a testomony to Canelo’s elite protective knowledge and chin, instead of any lack of ambition from the now former champion. That’s decent aspect.
I have recognised Alvarez as one among boxing’s P4P elite due to the fact that his matches with GGG but, due to the slim margins of some of his wins, i was on no account somewhat able to proclaim him no 1. #Salty!
however, with the pleasant of his opposition over the final few years, Loma’s contemporary defeat and Crawford’s uninspiring challengers, nobody in my intellect deserves this position greater. Over to you Monster Inuoe! certainly, Naoya Inoue is the simplest elite boxer in place (No. 2 in Ring’s P4P) to america Canelo. If The Monster achieves his mission of unifying all four important belts in the bantamweight division before Alvarez’s reaches his intention of unifying all the foremost the super middleweight titles, I could see the Ring ratings Panel debating his circulate into the No. 1 spot (reckoning on how dominate he is). If Crawford and Spence fought each and every other the winner of that showdown would have a superb case for being No. 1, but it surely doesn’t appear to be we’re close to getting that dream combat.
My handiest small criticism of Canelo is his reluctance to eventually settle the rating together with his old nemesis GGG. It’s obvious they hate every other. Golovkin wants to specific his hate within the variety of heavy punches upside Canelo’s head. Canelo expresses his hate by denying GGG that probability (and enormous payday). Like I’ve pointed out prior during this column, I received’t mind Canelo-GGG III if it happens next 12 months, but when it doesn’t I don’t care concerning the matchup anymore. and that i won’t hang it against Canelo provided that he continues to face the premier fighters of anything division he chooses to crusade in.
apart from that suit, i would be attracted to Canelo vs Billy Joe Saunders because of BJS offering whatever vogue clever that no other contender does. I’m actually not into Canelo fighting stick-and-movers. I need to see him in motion fights. i was hoping Smith would bring the warmth and convey that on Saturday. It didn’t turn up, however I’m maintaining hope alive as Jesse Jackson used to claim. BJS can be a pesky foe for Canelo, little question about it, the dude can box his ass off, however he has no hope of constructing for an entertaining combat or of getting a decision against the greatest star in the recreation, who just happens to be certainly one of its optimal all-round warring parties.
I don’t think it’s reasonable for people to demand that Alvarez drag his 5’eight” frame lower back as much as one hundred seventy five to show himself there and that i don’t feel Caleb Plant has performed enough yet to soar the queue. And yet you have got goof balls claiming that Canelo is “ducking” Plant and disturbing that he problem Beterbiev.
Who would you like to see the long run HoFamer challenged by means of? Jermall Charlo at a hundred and sixty (or some type of catchweight, say 164) and David Benavidez at 168 (or a few kilos over the super middleweight division limit if the Arizonan has outgrown the division).
CANELO AND GGG
What’s up Doug hope all’s smartly,
no longer Canelo’s largest fan however there’s no denying his fine. I don’t understand if any individual backyard easy heavys beat him, comfortable he wants to unify against plant, and so forth. as a result of as a lot as i like GGG i will be able to’t see him beating Canelo now.
I actually consider the layoff for GGG changed into blessing in cover he looked refreshed and sharp and the brand new energy and situation teach and nutritionist had him in the most reliable form I’ve ever seen him even at 38! also he appears to be listening to Banks now not loading up as a great deal and throwing various combos
How do these fights play out?
GGG vs Charlo
GGG vs Andrade
Canelo vs Andrade/Charlo
Canelo vs Beterbiev/Bivol/Gvozdyk
Cheers Dougie. – David, Dublin
Golovkin outpoints Andrade in a controversial fight, probably split nod, and earns a detailed UD over Charlo (with the assist of an early knockdown) in a battle-of-the-year candidate.
Canelo stops both Andrade and Charlo late (if the fights are at 168 kilos; he certainly outpoints him in the event that they fight at 160), outpoints Beterbiev and Bivol (you heard correct!) and stops Gvozdyk late (if The Nail were to come out of retirement).
Man, what’s up with Canelo’s cardio? I think he has found his most suitable weight type at 168. He ain’t Qawi but boy he is closest issue to him I have seen in a long time. He simply doesn’t get tired nowadays. it really is something his opponents used to count on and now they don’t even have that. have you seen, ever on account that Mayweather combat people had been assuming that outfighting is the most suitable method to beat him however i am not certain anymore. I feel he has become fairly comfy fighting lower back to lower back fighters on entrance foot. I suppose, he isn’t comfortable in the event you push him returned. What do you feel?
Who do you need to see him combat? Regards. – Saurabh
I consider your idea, so the man I want to see Canelo face probably the most is former two-time WBC 168-pound titleholder David Benavidez. He’s the one large man (apart from Beterbiev) that might basically combat like the bigger, superior man. And he’s not simply huge, he’s received quick palms, power, and a legit chin. i admire his busy, aggressive style and his take-no-prisoners mentality.
concerning your Canelo-Dwight Muhammad Qawi evaluation, I’d never concept of the two as being similar in any manner, however I see what you’re getting at. Qawi had approach walking down taller, rangier opponents and step by step breaking them down while displaying uncanny protecting potential. I feel Qawi is extra of a basic drive fighter whereas Canelo is more of a stalker, and the Camden Buzzsaw earned his nickname with a high-extent attack, while Canelo is extra most economical with his offense, but they’re alike in their calculating strategy to the recreation. It’s difficult to believe that Qawi, a former gentle heavyweight and cruiserweight champ who’s in the IBHOF, is a little over one inch SHORTER than Canelo.
Over the last few years there was talk about no matter if Mayweather or Pacquiao are all-time greats. this can nevertheless be plenty debated. however after watching Canelo dismantle Smith, his defense looks to proceed to improve… i’m wondering as might also & Pac can also be in that conversation how can Canelo be denied?
i am a big GGG fan but I don’t think this weekend’s results favour GGG in a 3rd in shape. What do you think? Thank as all the time on your worthwhile insights. – Mike
I’d choose Canelo to win a third bout with Golovkin but I agree with it will be another competitive battle. GGG is one of the few fighters who can outjab Canelo.
I feel Canelo’s already completed enough to benefit hall of repute induction. I don’t believe he’s an all-time outstanding, however he’s headed within the appropriate course, and at 30, he’s got time to build a truly brilliant legacy.
o.k., at this element, let’s simply go for 5 and get Breidis. It actually doesn’t look that some distance-fetched. –Zeus, from God’s country aka Texas.
hiya, Smith may have technically been a cruiserweight when he stepped into the ring on Saturday, but it surely wouldn’t be a good idea for Canelo to challenge the Ring cruiserweight champ.
Carlos Góngora vs Ali Akhmedov could be the fight of the year! It’s all the time enjoyable in the event you may also be straight proud of someone you’ve on no account met or have by no means even heard of earlier than- and it’s rare in boxing. Góngora, at 31 years historic, took full competencies of an sudden probability he’s been practicing and looking forward to considering the fact that he was a toddler- and he did it with calm self assurance and surgical skill. Veni, vidi, vici!
moreover, the way he carried out himself after the win turned into all class. amazing! – Dennis, El Centro, CA
Gongora become sensational. The became probably the most more advantageous 12-circular bouts I watched reside during 2020, and that i also think it’s an Upset of the 12 months candidate (Akhmedov, who had been in with solid competitors, was an eight-to-1 favorite). I pointed out on Twitter that Gongora jogged my memory for former light heavyweight titleholder/contender Gabriel Campillo, a skillful but gutsy southpaw from Spain who could climate early rounds storms and rally difficult down the stretch of tough fights (see his battles with Beibut Shumenov and Tavoris Cloud). Gongora has that form of coronary heart and savvy, but he’s more low-cost along with his offense and he punches more durable than Campillo did. I feel we’ve bought a brand new player in the super middleweight division.
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