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Dougie’s Monday Mailbag (Ryan Garcia and the light-weight division)

Dougie’s Monday Mailbag (Ryan Garcia and the lightweight division)

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Jan
via Doug Fischer

RYAN GARCIA COMES OF AGE

hiya Dougster master!

i used to be surprised through young Ryan’s grand entrance to the ring. i was like: actually??? You kidding me? The child has completed nothing simply yet!

Then the combat begun. And entire. Let me share with you a couple of feelings. I’ll preserve it short.

–    i believed Garcia became in danger to impersonate Amir Khan’s profession after I noticed his ass sweeping the canvas for the first time.

–   i used to be satisfied to see the child’s response to the complicated fact: the walks in the park are forever over, boy. He adjusted his game plan, saved going the use of his ability set, and showed authentic champion’s grit. He didn’t panic and didn’t overreact. Kudos to Reynoso, incidentally. What a fine coach the dude has turn into.

–    The boy basically trusts his vigour. And basically has self-self assurance, and – I’m calculating the next statement – isn’t as smug because it may additionally look. I completely loved how he took being dropped for the first time in his profession as a getting to know experience and showed some recognize to his rival. He became very gentle-hearted about the knockdown. The guy knows the way to entertain as a whole lot as he is aware of a way to box.

I liked a great deal what I noticed. Boxing can in fact use a few avid gamers like Ryan Garcia to appeal to extra casual lovers to the game. i will be able to’t wait to peer him share the ring with the beasts of his division. – Carlos Navarro Sugich from Hermosillo, Mexico

Garcia is on his method. He’s acquired the skill and, absolutely, the charisma, but he’s progressively including layers to his video game (as he grows into his “man electricity”) below Eddy Reynoso’s guideline; and now he’s finally got the scalp of a legit lightweight contender on his resume. Beating Luke Campbell makes him Devin Haney’s WBC mandatory challenger, however additionally “one-ups” his beginner rival, who has yet defeat a ring-rated light-weight. The dramatic and emphatic victory also provides actual substance to a potential showdown with Gervonta Davis, which may be built into an enormous adventure. So, yeah, boxing wins with Garcia’s showing on Saturday as a result of a 22-12 months-historical enchantment lived up to his hype and seems to wish to problem himself further. His future and the future of the lightweight division seem very brilliant at the moment.

Amir Khan faced one of the superior combatants of the 140- and 147-pound divisions, such as Devon Alexander.

i thought Garcia turned into in hazard to impersonate Amir Khan’s career once I saw his ass sweeping the canvas for the primary time. hiya, come on, Carlos. The younger man has an extended method to head to emulating Khan’s career. fans dump on Amir all the time, but the British-Pakastani velocity demon completed every little thing a boxer may hope to obtain in boxing. He’s an Olympic medalist (gained silver in the 2004 games as a teen), a former unified a hundred and forty-pound world titleholder, he headlined essential events in the UK and the U.S., fought the most efficient warring parties of his period and made some huge cash. Khan is decided for all times, bro. And if he certainly not fights again, he can be proud of his profession. He should be anyway. He shared the ring with two Mexican hall of famers, faced 10 Ring-rated fighters (six of which were junior welterweights in world title bouts from 2009-2012). He beat Marcos Maidana in a battle of the yr candidate, stopped Zab Judah, and dominated correct boxers like Devon Alexander, Luis Collazo, Paul Malignaggi and Andriy Kotelnik. If Ryan can have a run like that, he’ll be a freakin’ celebrity.

i used to be convinced to look the kid’s response to the hard truth: the walks within the park are forever over, boy. That the fact if he faces the best of the one hundred thirty five-pound division. however that’s adequate. He confirmed poise and determination vs. Campbell. Garcia’s obtained character.

Kudos to Reynoso, incidentally. What a fine coach the dude has develop into. Eddy is arguably probably the most five most reliable trainers within the online game. He’s got greater work to do with Garcia, however they’ve got time. seem how an awful lot Canelo has evolved considering that he turned into 22. If Garcia can add some of Canelo’s head-and-higher body move and improve his footwork, he’ll provide his friends hell.

The boy in reality trusts his vigour. He does, and that’s the mark of genuine puncher, which is decent as a result of punchers create the manufacturer of pleasure that entice informal fanatics. but he can’t depend on it. He’s acquired to become a boxer-puncher if he needs to adapt into an elite fighter like Ring champ Teofimo Lopez.

And in reality has self-confidence, and – I’m calculating the next statement – is not as smug because it may also appear. Ryan has at all times gave the impression down to earth after I’ve been around him in adult, but time will tell if he continues to be that method as his celeb soars and crosses over.

I absolutely cherished how he took being dropped for the first time in his profession as a researching journey and showed some respect to his rival. He became very light-hearted concerning the knockdown. It actually shouldn’t be that huge of a deal. Felix Trinidad become dropped like that all the time (regularly in the 2d circular), he all the time got up and whupped ass, and the knockdowns under no circumstances damage his recognition. He’s in the overseas Boxing corridor of repute, as is one among my all-time favorite “inclined” boxer-punchers, Terry Norris.

The man is aware of how to entertain as a good deal as he is aware of the way to box. That’s what it’s all about.

nevertheless not bought ON GARCIA

hi Dougie,

I’ve been keen on the mailbag for a very long time however haven’t wrote to you in a while.  I watched the Ryan Garcia battle and that i applaud him for a pleasant come from behind victory however believe like every thing I study is only flat out overboard.

I’m reading that he’s elite, he’s not a social media famous person and that he’s arrived to fight the likes of Haney and Davis. simply my two cents, however I don’t see it. He has vigor, but he’s flat footed, his protection is mediocre at most excellent and his offense is inconsistent. He depends on his energy means too a whole lot. I get that he wants to be like his hero Canelo, however he will by no means be like him.

He’s pushing De La Hoya to make these subsequent degree fights, but if he was sensible he’d follow the Floyd Mayweather blueprint. Wait on these fights for as long as possible and make cash.

I get he wants to be amazing, but I individually think Davis crushes him and Haney wins a simple determination. Lomachenko would outbox him and Teofimo would damage him down. What are your strategies? – Michael

Would Tank Davis be capable of blast Ryan Garcia as he did Leo Santa Cruz? picture from Showtime Boxing/Twitter

if they have been to battle in the next six months, i might desire Lopez (doubtless through knockout) and Lomachenko to beat Garcia, however I suppose the showdowns with Haney and Davis are even cash matchups. Davis has the ability to harm and probably cease Garcia, but Ryan’s additionally obtained the velocity, leverage and vigour to damage Tank, who isn’t precisely a shielding wizard. And Garcia looks to have his means with brief, aggressive opponents, although it need to be pointed out that he’s by no means confronted a fireplug of Davis’ caliber. Haney has the skills and ring savvy to supply Garcia complications, but I don’t be aware of if he’s bought the energy to hold Ryan sincere. If Garcia doesn’t appreciate Haney’s offense, he may walk him down and do harm with faster, heavier palms. additionally, I consider Garcia’s height and attain may well be a factor within the Haney matchup. Juan Carlos Burgos became dwindled when he faced Haney, and Alfredo Santiago changed into totally green (and undeserving of fighting for the WBC belt), but whereas Haney relatively a lot shut both out on the scorecards, he additionally appeared to fight with their height.  

I watched the Ryan Garcia battle and i applaud him for a pleasant come from in the back of victory however feel like everything I examine is just flat out overboard. possibly. I’m bound some fanatics and media have caught King Ry Fever, but you might possibly be responsible of underrating his efficiency with the aid of now not acknowledging that he beat an Olympic gold medalist, which ain’t convenient to do. just ask your boys Tank and Haney about what it become like dealing with an historic, faded and gimpy Yuriorkis Gamboa. (And, incidentally, just as a result of Garcia scored an up-from-the-canvas KO doesn’t imply it became a “come-from-behind” victory… he wasn’t behind on the scorecards at the time of stoppage).

Dougie views Devin Haney as being on the equal degree as Ryan Garcia. picture through Ed Mulholland/Matchroom.

I’m studying that he’s elite, he’s no longer a social media famous person and that he’s arrived to fight the likes of Haney and Davis. simply my two cents, however I don’t see it. well, I don’t think he’s “elite” – I define elite as being pound-for-pound ranked or beneficial – but I suppose he’s a legit lightweight contender, which is what Haney is. (I view Davis as a precise junior light-weight, which doesn’t mean he can’t kick primary ass at light-weight, he just hasn’t performed so yet.) I’m very excessive on Haney, but I don’t believe he’s completed satisfactory to benefit being a great favourite over Garcia or another desirable 5 lightweight. in my view, Haney is just as eco-friendly as Garcia. He’s bought a far better basis and smoother approach, but he’s not necessarily more advantageous within the ring. they’ve different patterns and strengths. We received’t recognize who’s skills and boxing IQs are advanced unless they share the ring or battle greater legit contenders.

He has energy, but he’s flat footed, his protection is mediocre at most beneficial and his offense is inconsistent. He relies on his power manner too an awful lot. He actually must find out how to relax more within the ring and not be in any such rush, however he’s 22 years old and he wasn’t a world-stage beginner. He’s still researching and turning out to be. And while the Campbell fight become his fifth with Eddy Reynoso, that they had below nine rounds of fight experience together going into his largest verify. The extra quality rounds he gets, the greater he will evolve. He’ll grow from the six and half rounds he went with Campbell. It takes a long time for even the ideal abilities/college students to turn out to be complete warring parties.

I get that he desires to be like his hero Canelo, however he will not ever be like him. Time will tell, but notwithstanding reaches 50% of what Canelo is now, he’ll be a monster.

He’s pushing De La Hoya to make these next degree fights, but if he was wise he’d comply with the Floyd Mayweather blueprint. Ugh. just what we need, an additional Mayweather wannabe. And we ask yourself why retired champs in their 50s and YouTubers are becoming greater consideration than energetic world-class boxers.

Wait on these fights for so long as viable and make money. Bro, are you a fan or his supervisor?

power

Doug –

Does Garcia hit tougher than Lopez? – Kevin Key, Duluth, MN

Who cracks tougher? Teo or Ry? picture through Mikey Williams/properly Rank

It’s tough to claim. each are very brief-passed with terrific reflexes and counterpunching accuracy, which provides to the influence of their power pictures. each have astonishing timing. Lopez seems to have tighter technique. Garcia may be a bit sooner.

i do know this sounds diplomatic, however I’d cost their vigor equal, Teofimo cracks harder along with his right, Ryan smacks tougher along with his left.

 

‘KING RY’ IS a true FIGHTER

whats up Doug,

What a fight we bought from Ryan Garcia and Luke Campbell. 2021 has early fight of the yr and KO of the 12 months candidates!

When this fight was first announced i used to be rather sure Luke would take it given all his experience; I figured Ryan became approach too eco-friendly for a man who gave Linares and Lomanchenko loads of obstacle.  because the combat drew near this week though, I flip-flopped and decided Ryan would likely spark him with a blazing fast ball. as it seems, we received somewhat of both; for lots of this combat Luke regarded very much the pro vet in there, controlling distance, hitting Ryan’s body, and punishing him with counters when the young gun jumped in overzealously. but Ryan showed he’s now not just a coddled entrance runner–he got appropriate up off the canvas and went after Campbell with much more tenacity, showing a badass streak his detractors hoped he wouldn’t possess.

As for the finish, what can you say?  It turned into photo ideal, and Luke was in a global of pain.  I bet you don’t should be the most constant body puncher if you can zap the liver like that with a single shot.

anyhow, it changed into an outstanding fight, and Ryan confirmed he’s a true fighter deep down the place it counts. If we’re going to nit-choose, he could tuck his chin greater and not bounce into the pocket along with his head straight up so often, but if you’re as speedy as he’s and use feints the style he does, you could doubtless get away with it. I consider there’s a pretty good possibility Lopez or Tank would time him coming in and KO him, however Ryan’s a real KO hazard too. I believe i would favor Ryan to beat Haney and Shakur though. Ryan wouldn’t be in hazard of getting KO’d by way of them and that i believe his energy, velocity, and underrated boxing competencies would see him beat those guys.

anything occurs going ahead, he’s going to be fun to watch within the ring! – Jack

How “susceptible” is Garica?

There’s no doubt about that, specifically if he takes on the caliber of fighter that he referred to as out instantly after stopping Campbell. If he doesn’t relevant his technical flaws and continue to enhance his protection and footwork, he’ll be a vulnerable sharpshooter – and those combatants are at all times must-see television. but I think he’s bought the talent and brains to proceed to enhance and improve. And even though he does evolve his skillset, he still could remain “inclined” if it seems that he just doesn’t take a very good shot. That’s anything that superstars of the previous, equivalent to Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya, had going for them. they had very strong chins. but, hi there, there have been more than few decorated champs and megastar-sights who were labeled “chinny” at one time all the way through their careers, a few of them are in the corridor of repute.

When this fight changed into first announced i was quite certain Luke would take it given all his experience; I figured Ryan become means too green for a guy who gave Linares and Lomanchenko loads of crisis. i ponder how many fans that shared your early perception really guess on the Englishman? The price changed into fairly first rate for Campbell if you in reality felt that he would “expose” Garcia.

because the combat drew near this week though, I flip-flopped and determined Ryan would doubtless spark him with a blazing fast ball. That’s both a testomony to Garcia’s talent or his development under Reynoso, or on some stage most of us simply assumed that Campbell, as solid and experienced as he’s, is destined to be a bridesmaid.

as it seems, we got just a little of each; for a good deal of this combat Luke looked very lots the professional vet in there, controlling distance, hitting Ryan’s physique, and punishing him with counters when the younger gun jumped in overzealously. i believed Campbell did every thing correct apart from soar on Garcia automatically after the younger gun acquired up from the knockdown and the battle resumed.

however Ryan showed he’s now not just a coddled entrance runner–he acquired right up off the canvas and went after Campbell with even more tenacity, showing a badass streak his detractors hoped he wouldn’t possess. Garcia got up from that knockdown like best Felix Trinidad, which is the most useful praise on his composure and fighter’s heart. Tito turned into probably the most confident hunter-killer I’ve had the honour of protecting.

As for the finish, what can you say? It was photo superb, and Luke changed into in an international of pain. He could feel that punch this time subsequent 12 months. physique photographs are like that.

I bet you don’t should be essentially the most consistent physique puncher in case you can zap the liver like that with a single shot. I anticipated each lightweights to sneak physique pictures into their arsenal and each did so with skills, Ryan’s punches had been simply delivered with more power and meaner intentions.

If we’re going to nit-choose, he could tuck his chin greater and never bounce into the pocket together with his head straight up so often, however for those who’re as quick as he’s and use feints the way he does, which you could likely get away with it. No, he must repair that. He received away with it vs. Campbell because the Yorkshire man doesn’t no longer have world-classification energy. When he shares the ring with elite combatants possessing “one-hitter-quitter” vigour, these errors/flaws/holes will charge him.

I believe there’s a superb chance Lopez or Tank would time him coming in and KO him, but Ryan’s a true KO threat too. certainly. they would do would deserve to be at their very best to avoid his vigor volleys.

I believe i would favor Ryan to beat Haney and Shakur notwithstanding. Ryan wouldn’t be in hazard of getting KO’d through them and i think his energy, pace, and underrated boxing knowledge would see him beat these guys. Garcia’s bought the knowledge in dimension and power vs. these two, however they’ve pace and athleticism to fit his and more comprehensive boxing foundations at this time (primarily Shakur). those matchups could be stern challenges for Garcia.

GARCIA-CAMPBELL

hi Dougie,

chuffed New 12 months mate. Hope you the family unit and team are keeping protected and smartly and had a nice ruin.

It changed into an excellent scrap. just what the medical professional ordered to lift out spirits in these diverse instances.

For me Garcia answered questions. Campbell is the true deal, Olympic gold medalist and been in there with one of the greatest. Garcia showed maturity and poise from being knocked down early, to staying in handle of the combat and conclude it in brutal trend. huge tick in the container from me.

How did you see it? a very good verify or did he fight against someone he should still have “dealt with”?

It’s unique, in the U.ok. Amir Khan’s identify become trending on Twitter after the battle? a lot of people suggesting that, like Khan, Garcia will win against world class oppression, and look first rate doing it, however his defence, or lack thereof, will suggest he’ll come undone towards elite level opponents like Tank. exciting evaluation? Too early to assert?

Who would you put him in with subsequent? i do know all are shouting Tank from the roof tops but is it too early for that?

At 31 what’s next for Campbell? It’s entertaining, he received gold at London 2012, the Olympics as AJ did and already he’s being known as a veteran. He’s a decent fighter who has fallen short at the suitable, no shame in that. circulate as much as a hundred and forty? With all due appreciate the opposition at a hundred and forty is not as elite as a hundred thirty five.

MM:

Vladimir Klitschko vs Larry Holmes

Miguel Cotto Vs ODLH

Aflec Batman vs Bale Batman

keep up the good work and all of the top-quality for the new 12 months. – Tabraze, London U.okay.

Gotta go along with Holmes and De La Hoya by shut UD, and the extra physical Ben Affleck Batman via come-from-at the back of late stoppage (however I’d want the greater cerebral Christian Bale Batman by way of decision in a rematch).

How did you see it? a fine check or did he fight in opposition t somebody he should have “dealt with”? I considered Campbell as a true examine and i concept it become a good matchup. I knew Garcia could be unhealthy early however I wasn’t certain how he’d fare if Campbell become capable of take him into deep waters. So, I think the budding star passed a legit check, and i don’t consider he struggled all that that a good deal. Yeah, he turned into knocked down however he received up automatically and looked clear-headed. And if he wasn’t clear-headed, he did a very good job of hiding the cobwebs or shaky legs and dealing with the adversity. The young man has personality.

It’s wonderful, within the U.ok. Amir Khan’s identify turned into trending on Twitter after the battle? I get it. Khan changed into a pace demon with pop as you Garcia is now, and the previous one hundred forty-pound titleholder had a habit of protecting his chin up and over-committing to his offense, which obtained him dropped and clipped more than just a few instances. however they’ve got distinct styles and different trainers, and it’s nevertheless early in Garcia’s career. We should still wait earlier than categorizing or pigeonholing him.

a lot of people suggesting that, like Khan, Garcia will win against world type oppression, and seem to be decent doing it, but his defence, or lack thereof, will mean he’ll come undone towards elite degree opponents like Tank. interesting comparison? truthfully, it’s nevertheless too early to even say that Garcia can emulate with Khan did. It’s additionally too early to consider Tank an “elite” fighter.

Too early to say? I believe so.

Who would you place him in with next? I’d roll the cube vs. Haney or Javier Fortuna. might be Jorge Linares (who I believe is more bad than Haney or Fortuna in many ways). these are all dangerous fights but I don’t suppose Garcia can be in over his head.

i do know all are shouting Tank from the roof tops however is it too early for that? I don’t feel it’s too early, but I additionally be aware of that it is going to take the time for the business side of that knowledge matchup to be settle, and let’s face it, it can also be a large event and large hobbies take time to promote. I think it’s a little too early for Davis to be next, nevertheless it’s not too early if we’re speaking in regards to the conclusion of this yr.

At 31 what’s next for Campbell? good query. might be he should still go for a rubbermatch with European rival Yvan Mendy for the WBA “gold” belt. If he wins it, perhaps he can get obligatory shots at Rolando Romero (the WBA’s intervening time beltholder) or even Tank (the “normal” champ).

It’s pleasing, he received gold at London 2012, the Olympics as AJ did and already he’s being known as a veteran. he is a veteran. Nothing incorrect with being a veteran.

He’s a decent fighter who has fallen brief on the suitable, no disgrace in that. None at all, and he’s still a suitable-10 light-weight personally.

flow up to a hundred and forty? I don’t consider he’s bought the physical electricity or energy to compete with the most suitable junior welterweights.

With all due appreciate the opposition at a hundred and forty isn’t as elite as one hundred thirty five. I disagree. I consider Josh Taylor is an elite boxer, while Jose Ramirez and Regis Prograis are world-classification punishers who would brutalize Campbell and every top lightweight not named Teofimo.

happy NEW 12 months & thanks

pricey Mr. Fischer,

earlier than we beginning the every day events for 2021 tomorrow once again I want to wish you and your liked all of the finest for 2021. and i need to send a warm thanks over the ocean and the American continent in your mailbag. As you be aware of i am a dedicated reader and drop in some traces each now and then. but today the only remark I actually have is about the suitable pleasant of your feedback. it’s all the time a pleasure to examine your expert insights. however even more to find out about your views upon not handiest the boxing world. I ought to admit that I frequently try to foretell your observations and reviews as a result of they’re so enjoyable and far from all of the mainstream blah blah. i’m hoping the boxing world can relish your respectable work within the next and the other upcoming years. highest quality. – Matthias, Germany

thanks from the backside of my heart to your variety and inspiring words and New year’s neatly needs, Matthias. I’ll retain the mailbag going provided that there are boxing lovers such as you who are studying this column and sending me emails.

e-mail Fischer at [email protected]. comply with him on Twitter and IG at @dougiefischer, and be a part of him, Tom Loeffler, coach Schwartz and chums by means of Tom’s or Dougie’s Periscope every Sunday.

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